Stuckin D'South I'm pretty sure there's no profound meaning behind the words (if they actually are complete words). 'Oculus' and 'Harry' is about all I got.
Craig Froehle I can't. I am surprised that anyone who reads the stuff he said can derive a moment's enjoyment from the works of someone so basically awful. But hey, that's not on me, I suppose.
Greg S I didn't read what he said on purpose so that I can still enjoy the music.
Similarly, I don't intend to go read the testimonies of the women that Bill Cosby molested/raped so that I can still find humor in his early stand-up routines.
If I had to insist that every person who creates anything I want to enjoy -- from a comedy routine to a sculpture to a movie to a meal -- has to have the same high ethical standards that I expect of myself, I'd be quite starved for entertainment (not to mention a judgmental, sanctimonious prat). After all, Steinbeck was an abusive drunk...should we cease reading his books? Wagner and Degas were rampant anti-Semites...should I stop admiring their music and paintings? Hemingway, Picasso, Voltaire, Lou Rawls, Christian Bale...the list of talented people who aren't exactly model citizens is nearly endless.
My point isn't to excuse their behavior -- I don't. But, while I may try to avoid directly enriching the living ones, I'm not about to impoverish my life because they happen to be douchebags.
Well, you are "enriching" this one by viewing and reposting his YouTube links, and unlike all the others you mentioned, the kind of bad he is is thoroughly entrenched in the present day, happening now, and something that we might conceivably exert influence on with our choices. If there's a chance of that, I'm perfectly happy letting my wanting to experience enjoyment fall by the wayside in service of the need to make things better for those that he and the rest of the MRA crew victimize.
Greg S Are you sure all of Google's employees meet your standards? After all, by using G+, you're enriching its employees.
Might not want to risk helping a misogynist or racist or closet homophobe secure his next paycheck...you should cease using all of Google's services immediately.
Craig Froehle But but but false equivalency. You almost never have a choice of which utility provider you use (unless, maybe, you go off the grid). Not as extreme with Google services, but still, to be effective, what's the alternative? Choosing to boycott or ignore a specific artist because you find them to be a repulsive human being is a different thing.
David Archer So punishing others who don't conform with your morality is dependent on the convenience of doing so, eh? ;-)
We all make our own little stands. I don't eat pay for Papa John's pizza. But that's easy for me because it's absolutely shit pizza.
All told, each of us has to make a decision -- do the benefits of X (listening to a song or buying a pizza) outweigh the harms of X. If I'm not literally paying an artist who does objectionable things, then it's easier for me to enjoy it. For example, I certainly won't pay to see a new Mel Gibson movie, but I'd still watch my old copy of Lethal Weapon.
Unless you're willing to go looking into the personal lives of every single artist whose craft you're about to consume to see if they deserve your attention, then this isn't really about them. Stands of convenience are less about morality and more about appearances of morality. And who's got time for that? (Nobody.)
Craig Froehle It's the Internet. To go with your Christian Bale example, when artists' personal lives go awry, the information gets out. No need to go looking for it - usually someone will bring you the info.
But again, that's just me. Feel free to enrich this guy, and I'll feel free to point out the problems with it, here and everywhere else.
The background music is too loud for me to clearly understand most of what she is saying. :(
ReplyDeleteStuckin D'South I'm pretty sure there's no profound meaning behind the words (if they actually are complete words). 'Oculus' and 'Harry' is about all I got.
ReplyDeleteDavid Archer I got that and leviosar (sp?). Still.
ReplyDeleteThe clips are just meant to complement the music. If you want to focus on the samples, I suggest watching the movie. :-)
ReplyDeleteCraig Froehle I have. Many times. :P
ReplyDeleteToo bad Pogo turned out to be such a jerk. http://www.wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/01/29/trouble-internet-mashup-king-pogo-reveals-himself-to-be-a-misogynistic-douchenozzle/
ReplyDeleteGreg S That's sad. Thankfully, I can manage to enjoy the art while disapproving of the artist.
ReplyDeleteCraig Froehle I can't. I am surprised that anyone who reads the stuff he said can derive a moment's enjoyment from the works of someone so basically awful. But hey, that's not on me, I suppose.
ReplyDeleteGreg S I didn't read what he said on purpose so that I can still enjoy the music.
ReplyDeleteSimilarly, I don't intend to go read the testimonies of the women that Bill Cosby molested/raped so that I can still find humor in his early stand-up routines.
If I had to insist that every person who creates anything I want to enjoy -- from a comedy routine to a sculpture to a movie to a meal -- has to have the same high ethical standards that I expect of myself, I'd be quite starved for entertainment (not to mention a judgmental, sanctimonious prat). After all, Steinbeck was an abusive drunk...should we cease reading his books? Wagner and Degas were rampant anti-Semites...should I stop admiring their music and paintings? Hemingway, Picasso, Voltaire, Lou Rawls, Christian Bale...the list of talented people who aren't exactly model citizens is nearly endless.
My point isn't to excuse their behavior -- I don't. But, while I may try to avoid directly enriching the living ones, I'm not about to impoverish my life because they happen to be douchebags.
Well, you are "enriching" this one by viewing and reposting his YouTube links, and unlike all the others you mentioned, the kind of bad he is is thoroughly entrenched in the present day, happening now, and something that we might conceivably exert influence on with our choices. If there's a chance of that, I'm perfectly happy letting my wanting to experience enjoyment fall by the wayside in service of the need to make things better for those that he and the rest of the MRA crew victimize.
ReplyDeleteBut that's just me.
Greg S Are you sure all of Google's employees meet your standards? After all, by using G+, you're enriching its employees.
ReplyDeleteMight not want to risk helping a misogynist or racist or closet homophobe secure his next paycheck...you should cease using all of Google's services immediately.
Now...about your electricity provider...
Craig Froehle But but but false equivalency. You almost never have a choice of which utility provider you use (unless, maybe, you go off the grid). Not as extreme with Google services, but still, to be effective, what's the alternative? Choosing to boycott or ignore a specific artist because you find them to be a repulsive human being is a different thing.
ReplyDeleteDavid Archer So punishing others who don't conform with your morality is dependent on the convenience of doing so, eh? ;-)
ReplyDeleteWe all make our own little stands. I don't eat pay for Papa John's pizza. But that's easy for me because it's absolutely shit pizza.
All told, each of us has to make a decision -- do the benefits of X (listening to a song or buying a pizza) outweigh the harms of X. If I'm not literally paying an artist who does objectionable things, then it's easier for me to enjoy it. For example, I certainly won't pay to see a new Mel Gibson movie, but I'd still watch my old copy of Lethal Weapon.
Unless you're willing to go looking into the personal lives of every single artist whose craft you're about to consume to see if they deserve your attention, then this isn't really about them. Stands of convenience are less about morality and more about appearances of morality. And who's got time for that? (Nobody.)
Craig Froehle It's the Internet. To go with your Christian Bale example, when artists' personal lives go awry, the information gets out. No need to go looking for it - usually someone will bring you the info.
ReplyDeleteBut again, that's just me. Feel free to enrich this guy, and I'll feel free to point out the problems with it, here and everywhere else.