via John Hummel
Originally shared by Ron Dobbs
On Monday, President Donald Trump slapped a 30 percent tariff on imported solar cells and panels.
But while the White House said the goal was to punish China for an industrial policy aimed at taking over the global solar market, the harsh reality is that the president is going to end up punishing the states that voted for him the most. On top of that, U.S. taxpayers are actually going to end up paying for half of any tariff.
Analysis provided to ThinkProgress by GTM Research concludes, “new and emerging state markets are disproportionately affected [by the new tariff], with southern states like Texas, Florida, Georgia, and South Carolina amongst the most impacted by the tariffs.” All of those states voted for Trump in the 2016 election.
https://thinkprogress.org/trump-solar-tariff-backfires-36cb1c4f7fbc/
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Again, no big surprise that those who supported him will lose the most from his presidency.
ReplyDeleteI think that only China solar imports are covered. Other countries can export to us without tariffs, right? We can also build our own. I think its subject to WTO scrutiny that can nullify it. So its not end of the world.
ReplyDeletealways so much WIN!!
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Mikey... tRUMP's ec0nomy is one that runs on HIS BUDGET! Get a grip. Get a brain. Come brag when tRUMP's economy is fully functioning under the tRUMP budget.
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Kittyspurr imperfectly purfect It also runs under his elimination of regulations, the view business leaders have of his competence, and new legislation like the death of Obamacare and the new tax code.
ReplyDeleteAfter 8 years of total failure, claiming that Obama is somehow responsible for anything of value is hilarious.
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Interesting. How'd you collect so many fox news fans, Craig Froehle?
ReplyDeleteCliff Bramlett Just unlucky, I guess. :-/ #deletethemall
ReplyDeleteI think these charts pretty much reflect Trump's/GOP accomplishments over the past year.
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Mike Hillsgrove You call Obama a total failure and then refuse to admit that tRUMP's economy only starts with HIS budget? You RWNJs really are stunned. Obama had to deal with the obstruction of the GOP! (which is why he had to sign executive orders to get anything accomplished)
ReplyDeleteWhat is truly hilarious is that tRUMP is claiming that he is being obstructed when he is a "Republican" with a Republican congress and Senate!
And tRUMP is signing more executive orders than most "presidents," after berating Obama for doing so.
Sooooooo much win...
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Kittyspurr imperfectly purfect The US has not had a budget in 8 years. We have a series of continuing resolutions. Obama was the first President to never have a budget.
ReplyDeleteThe halt to American decline started the day after Trump was elected. Never has a turn around happened that fast.
If Obama had a plan that would save us all, why did he wait until the day someone else was elected?
Hey stupid (Mike Hillsgrove won't mind me using name calling as PC and politeness are no longer needed when speaking to Americans...tRUMP rule!) ... CONGRESS passes the budget, you know nothing partisan puke.
ReplyDeleteKittyspurr imperfectly purfect Or in liu of a budget, they pass a continuing resolution which just continues a previous budget, which is what a gridlocked Congress does.
ReplyDeleteKittyspurr imperfectly purfect Name calling is all any liberal has.
ReplyDeleteFacts are not on your side.
In fact, I have said that I would never vote for a woman, a Democrat, a liberal, and your tirade is why.
I don't agree with everything Trump does, and personally I would rather purchase Chinese panels at 50 cents a watt than an American made panel at $1.84 a watt. I live off the grid and cheap panels are very nice.
But I know where the policy comes from and while the panel policy will fail, the Chinese can absorb 30% and still under price us at a profit, right now there is no incentive to make panels in the US.
The Republican Party is owned by fossil fuels and the fossil fuel cartel. In order to get support for other legislation, he tossed renewables under the bus.
But, even with the expensive panels, the cost per watt of solar is still dropping and the coal industry is still a dead man gasping for breath.
Solar and wind will win, I just wish that they had won when it would still make a difference. The faster the adoption of solar and wind, the slower human extinction will be. We can't stop it, barring new technology, but it would be nice to push it off another few decades or a century or two.
https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/jYwNGP9iMErfAadxozIDyFJpTsKX-np8ORdTyzjmTTorFItVQSFH3S-UoXDKmPC6KyfjCYbGZPBbEUXZ5CChaD7aJI_u5bvkd2g=s0
Kittyspurr imperfectly purfect You are an SJW, the very worst brand of liberal. You still have nothing but mindless hate and bile and still have nothing but name calling, label making and raw female emotion which contrary to your tiny intellect - does not constitute an argument.
ReplyDeleteIndeed, the halt to American decline did end the day Trump was elected. Jobs began to pour back in, companies halted plans to leave, and the success continues at DAVOS today.
cleantechnica.com - It's Official: Trump Loves Renewable Energy, Hates Coal | CleanTechnica
This is an interesting take on the solar tariffs. It seems to hurt the ever shrinking coal industry the worst.
You see, whoever controls the solar and wind markets will control energy in the 21st century. By rebuilding the US solar industry Trump is positioning the US to come back from the dead as oil runs out.
Remember, we hit peak oil in 1972, the world hit peak oil in 2012, and all forms of fossil fuels will peak by 2030. If we burn even a quarter of what remains we push CO2 concentration past 600 ppm, global temperatures beyond 6C and we will all be dead long before that happens.
Restoring the solar industry is in fact key as our economy depends on the dying petrodollar
Mike Hillsgrove, you're right about peak oil and solar, but about jobs? He promised to bring back coal. As the article points out, he put a tariff on solar.
ReplyDelete"After 9 months of uncertainty and vitriol, US President Donald Trump has decided this week to impose a 30% tariff on imported solar cells and modules in response to a Section 201 trade case filed by Suniva and SolarWorld back in April of 2017, a move which will likely cost 23,000 American jobs this year."
"Unsurprisingly, the move has been widely deemed as catastrophic."
cleantechnica.com - Trump Imposes 30% Imported Solar Tariff, Threatens 23,000 Jobs In 2018 | CleanTechnica
And solar's loss is the tip of the quickly melting iceberg:
Then there's the stores closed by:
Toys-R-Us - 180 stores
Sears - 63 stores
K-Mart - 45 stores
Macy's - 68 stores
Sam's Club (Walmart) - 63 stores
Kimberly Clark fires 5000+
Carrier jobs moving to Mexico
https://twitter.com/rmayemsinger/status/956203111823040512
Mike Hillsgrove You are so full of crap. Here is the monthly chart of jobs created. It looks pretty steady since Obama pulled us out of the Bush Financial Crisis. I don't see any Trump increase in the flow of jobs coming back or being created, and this is Trump's own Department of Labor.
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Cliff Bramlett You are mixing a number of issues and getting none of them correct.
ReplyDeleteToy's R Us was a profitable concern but was sold to a company in a leveraged buyout. The company could not pay the nearly 100% loan that they used to purchase Toy's R Us with. Sears and Kmart are the same company, and when Sears bought Kmart all they did was to double the number of stores that were competing for the same customers in ever shrinking market.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JYUo9WKkao
The internet is killing retail. If I need something I get online and order from Walmart, or Amazon and it is delivered to me directly. It saves me a two hour drive to Macy's and since they closed the indoor malls, I have no reason to make the effort to go to the big stores.
In the case of Solar, which represents 260,000+ jobs, reintroducing American panel manufacturing could double that number.
"We confirmed that, according to the foundation's calculations, there were 260,077 solar workers in the United States in 2016. The second number -- unstated in the op-ed, but equaling 87,000 workers employed in coal mining, if you do the math -- actually overstates the number of mine workers. Apr 25, 2017 "
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Remember that the same people who told you that Trump could not win (he did), that said that the economy would collapse under Trump (it didn't), came up with that 23,000 number.
The reality is that China will always pay it's people less, and that American workers get paid more. Solar panels made in America will cost more - BUT - the cost of making panels will continue to drop in any case.
https://blogs.scientificamerican.com/plugged-in/the-price-of-solar-is-declining-to-unprecedented-lows/
Those are some really nice cherries you picked there Mike Hillsgrove. Shame they aren't factual true.
ReplyDeleteMac Baird You are using the U-3 rate which is a lie as it is a short term unemployment rate. Let me explain why this is false.
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Jobs 'created' is a false number. If one man quits a job and is hired elsewhere, and someone from another company quits and ishired to replace him, this counts as 2 jobs created. It in fact represents NO JOBS CREATED.
Now, this is why we use Labor Participation Rate as the actual measure of economic health.
Let me explain how the U-3 rate works. Workers are only counted as 'unemployed' as long as they are receiving benefits and therefor 'seeking employment'. Thereafter they are no longer counted.
Example:
Your nation has 1000 workers and 0% unemployment. You have a crisis and 100 people are fired. Now you have 10% unemployment. In a year, those 100 people have not found a job, benefits end so they are no longer counted as 'seeking employment, so your U-3 Unemployment rate is now 0%.
But the economy continues to decline and you lose another 90 jobs, 190 people are out of the work force but the U-3 rate is 10%.
The next year, they lose 81 jobs, the U-3 Unemployment rate remains at 10%, but now 271 people out of 1000 are no longer working. The actual unemployment rate is 27.1% (the U-6 rate - but that is NOT what the government ever reports)
In year one of the example, the LPR goes from 100% to 90%. In year two, drops to 81% and in year three to 72%. The difference is that the Labor Participation Rate measures all the eligible to work vs all the people actually working.
Now, let's look at the LPR at the beginning of the Obama Administration, which was 66.0 %. By the time his disastrous administration ended it was 62.7% In total, this nation lost about 10-12 million jobs - mostly in high end manufacturing while the only real job growth was in burger flipping and waste management.
The truth sucks, doesn't it.
In U-3 calculations if I lose a job that makes a 100K salary and have to settle for a minimum wage job making 23K, that is the exact same thing.
And where did those high end manufacturing jobs go? To China, India, Pakistan, Mexico via the TPP, NAFTA and other bad deals.
Understand the numbers you quote, what they mean, what they represent, and how they are misused.
Mike Hillsgrove Actually, what I gave you is not the U-3 unemployment rate. It is the "Net" Jobs number each month. Regarding LPR, automation and productivity are the primary reason for that decline. Replacing people with robots and computers is the flip side of outsourcing, and that is why the U-6 Unemployment Rate is around 8% or about 13 million people who lack the STEM skills to find a job in this STEM intensive economy. Also, keep in mind that we are still adding 1.1 million people to the workforce each year, based on the fertility rate of 20 years ago.
ReplyDeleteMac Baird Starting exactly in the month and year of Obama's regime?
ReplyDeleteNonsense.
Yes, automation will continue to kill jobs. Sending those jobs overseas via high taxes, bad trade deals and over regulation kills jobs faster. This was Obama's failure.
theverge.com - Automation threatens 800 million jobs, but technology could still save us, says report
http://bigthink.com/paul-ratner/a-new-study-says-a-third-of-all-us-workers-to-be-replaced-with-robots-by-2030
What we need is an economy that does not require capitalism, human participation in the work force to survive. None of the current 'isms' can do that.
Another thing to consider. The reason why Europe wants immigration is that for capitalism to survive you need a larger and larger pool of consumers. With the birth rates flat due to feminism, astronomical tax rates, bad government, immigration is the only way to stave off the collapse of capitalism.
We need something better, scientifically designed and out of the control of humans who will always be corrupt.
Mike Hillsgrove Starting coincident with the bottom of the last Recession. Obama was just in the right place at the right time. The economic recovery would have happened regardless of who won the election, as every recovery had previously. When companies recover from economic downturns, expensive people are the last resource they add, after investing in infrastructure and automation. No employer has ever hired more workers until demand for his product or service exceeded his production capacity. Robots and computers are cheaper and more reliable than people. Industry has been shedding workers ever since the computer was invented. Unfortunately, only about 10% of high school grads have sufficient STEM skills or inclination to continue their education or training in the STEM fields. The STEM intensity of our economy is growing more rapidly than the STEM product of our educational system. That is why my first 20 year career employer is now providing Submarine Officers a $169,000 retention bonus to stay just 4 more years after their initial 6 year obligation.
ReplyDeleteMike Hillsgrove You are adding opinion blogs and a youtube video as sources ? W T F
ReplyDeleteThe EDITOR wisely stepped in to clarify on the totally ludicrous one....
cleantechnica.com - It's Official: Trump Loves Renewable Energy, Hates Coal | CleanTechnica
Craig Froehle Adding a post and leaving it open for discussion is fine if you monitor it. As it is, you are simply another place for MAGAt trolls to spew their propaganda and RWNJ talking points like this laughable one...
ReplyDelete"Indeed, the halt to American decline did end the day Trump was elected. Jobs began to pour back in, companies halted plans to leave, and the success continues at DAVOS today."
If you agree enough with a post you pass on, defend it or close it so idiot trolls don't take it over.
Kittyspurr imperfectly purfect You run your posts your way; I'll run mine my way. Thanks.
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