Whether or not climate change is happening is no longer a reasonable debate. Through what mechanisms and at what rates will the planet be affected and what can we do to reverse course...those are valid issues to debate.
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When we let politics trump science, people are needlessly put in harm's way. http://arstechnica.com/science/2017/01/self-censoring-fears...
This is good. Schools should not have literature that questions scientific facts.
ReplyDeleteJamie Doege That's not entirely true. Your previous government did a lot of damage.
ReplyDeletebridge looks good. there are so many bridges in the US that are in need of repair.
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ReplyDeleteTry to keep up with the program...
The topic of debate is Climate Change..
Not crumbling American Infrastructure!
With capitalism,infinite growth and infinite emissions spreading worldwide it does not take rocket science to work out the nature of this process and its inherent volatility.
ReplyDeleteThe Planet's sixth mass extinction is already in progress driven by various industrial complexes fighting for their survival and profit at the expense of Humanity. https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/06/150619152142.htm
ReplyDeleteMac Baird Very depressing Mac. For those climate change deniers, this is great reading. Thanks Mac.
ReplyDeleteJamie Doege True, but you voted him in.
ReplyDeleteJames Karaganis I did not. Lol
ReplyDeleteI'm starting to move toward the opinion that reversing course is also no longer a debate and that we should move towards thinking about mitigation and/or migration.
ReplyDeleteLionel D It seems we can still minimize the total effect, but dealing with the irreversible changes already in place (and coming) must also be part of our long-term plan.
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ReplyDeleteClimate change has three big mitigation/migration issues depending on where you live and access to resources, food, water and land (elevation above current sea level).
This reality of rust, getting old, thermal decay that's hot to cold. You are just waking up from has been in motion from the start. That is new to old. You the earth and everything else will come to a end.
ReplyDeleteValid imdeed.
ReplyDeleteLionel D
ReplyDeleteHuh? Sounds like we have one of the captains of captalist industry opining from his high podium here. Dimwit.
Traider A what are your solutions to reversing course?
ReplyDeleteLionel D
ReplyDeleteIt is a 2 fold process:
a We need a global culture so as we all have the same vision as a species. Then we need that culture to occur swiftly under capitalism so as we can act quickly to nip the system in the bud via a global action of this species. Capitalism shreds humanity of all its illusions until we see the reality of life on this planet...one founded in material reality and not in some wishy washy hereafter or benign relativistic being. Only then will we act to secure that material reality.
b Then we need a revolution heralding in a scientific materialism based on scientific socialism...not bourgeoisie socialism but scientific socialism. A society based on needs BUT profoundly logical in such as way as to use the fruits of reason, technology, in a sustainable way that uplifts all.
That is what history contemplates for all conscious species in the cosmos. Whether mankind will succeed is debateable given our stubborn ties to barbarism.
Traider A
ReplyDeleteWhile I support your message, I would add that the customer rules in Capitalism, so education and awareness matter. Change must be demand driven to be effective. Both suppliers and consumers act in their own self interest as they perceive it. Old technologies will put tremendous effort into blocking any new technology or change that competes with its product or service. The role of Government is to support the best interest of society, even if it means tilting Capitalism in that direction at the expense of old technology.
Mac Baird
ReplyDeleteCapitalism will shred illusions...that is written into history as was for example, our migration out of Africa as soon as we ran out of resources on the Veld. But globalisation aligns the minds of the entire species to comply with its process or else the experiment fails and we as a species go the way of the do do. For rationalists, it is to educate the masses to ensure this fate does not befall us (we see history and then explain it to the masses as this process is a high risk one vis a vis the climate and time is of the essence) and that education runs alongside globalisation and we hope that critical mass is reached just as capitalism globalises and hopefully before the climate envelopes thresholds are breached.
Traider A
ReplyDeleteFor the past decade, demand for fossil energy has declined among the G-20 nations, while increasing among the 20 EM nations which contain 87% of the human population. I guess we need to focus on Pareto's (80-20) Law, if we hope to use Globalization to affect change soon.
Mac Baird
ReplyDeleteWell if that law makes sense, yes. In history (material dialecticism) not so I am afraid as this is an exercise in evolutionary outcomes and the mind of the peasant has to be urbanised into labour and then be stripped of the illusions which define peasanthood (not to mention the illusions that labour is burdened under.) This is not an easy route I am afraid and there are no short cuts. We do our homework as rationalists and then we engage objectively with capitalism. .
Traider A OK let me rephrase - what are your realistic solutions for stopping and reversing the damage that's already been done? Since I'm the dimwit, obviously I've missed something from the last 20-30 years of observing the world I live in. So tell me how you're going to get developed nations and developing nations, who can't even agree on a climate treaty with any teeth, to stop the currently melting glaciers from melting?
ReplyDeleteLionel D
ReplyDeleteI laid it out. There are no realistic solutions if by that you mean seek to maintain capitalism as a sustainable entity. We have as a species to understand history and conform to its objectivity. Scienctific thought is the only method at hand that grants us access to that knowledge, industrially and socio economically. And it is a hard journey of find a common consensus on the nature of that objective process, by as many a number as we can summon and then convincing the rest of the herd who are largely in a stupor.
Find sounding words.
ReplyDeleteThe reality is that as species go, we are by far the most fractious one in existence. An unfortunate byproduct of our kind of intelligence, I suppose, but there it is. We don't agree on jack shit, not now, not ever.
The reality is that global accords mean nothing if they are not enforced or willingly obeyed, and I simply don't see that happening. Not until matters get much worse than they are, and by then it probably won't matter much.
Capitalism as such is not a solution. In fact, the natural tendency of capitalism is towards extreme corporatism and regulatory capture, concentration of wealth, and amplification of base human desires. None of those are in any way useful in averting an extinction-level event, because they are quintessentially short-sighted.
James Karaganis
ReplyDeleteCapitalism is not a panacea granted but capitalism is a natural function of history as were religions. Capitalism is thus history's objective sequential form at this juncture. History has a logical sequentialiity and religions have since expired. Those that persist are subjective, no longer objective.
I guess we can argue in circles about this. I choose not to as it then involves getting into the details of what I know and that is something I have no wish to do. Suffice to say, the quicker we globalise in capitalism and the quicker we see that process and its movement in time and space, the better able we will be (and less confused...this climate stuff has been pissing around for decades and frankly has not made one iota of a difference in our understanding of it) able to finally work out what the heck is underway....as a species.
Yes, and organized religion has been among the most destructive influences in human history, in particular the invention of the Abrahamics. That's a bad comparison, if you want to say that capitalism is natural and we should just go with the flow. We can and must do better, as a matter of long-term survival.
ReplyDeleteNot do I care about historical precedent. Our ancestors got far more wrong than they got right: much of what they did should be seen in the light of negative example. Organized religion and unregulated capitalism are two of the best examples of that.
James Karaganis
ReplyDeleteOh, history contemplates outcomes in the objective sense and not intending to inject any mysticism into this. But like all of its flows, these are objective forces and it pays to understand them and then work with them (which is not synonymous with working with capitalism) so as to not become just another failed species.
The solution to all of Humanity's problems throughout history has been to throw money (i.e., human labor) at it. Capitalism takes advantage of money in motion. Problems get addressed according to their degree of profit potential. Profit from change is just beginning to exceed profit from maintaining the status quo when the cost of the consequences of each are realized.
ReplyDeleteMac Baird
ReplyDeleteNot too sure what you mean.
I work as a price discovering day trader and tend to convey what I see. If I have learnt anything from what I analyse its that the markets (history) are utterly objective.
Traider A
ReplyDeleteI totally agree. I am a momentum trader, with a slightly longer holding period. Technical Market Analysis is virtually identical to the Target Motion Analysis I learned during my first 20 year career as a Submarine Officer. TMA serves to describe what is happening in the present without regard to the future. The track history is of limited usefulness, while detecting target zigs is of critical importance. When I apply TMA to the flow of money, I am detecting a slow but steady change in target course and speed, most recently in the ETF tickers FAN and FIW. TAN seems to be lagging.
Climate change is a challenge before the World!
ReplyDeleteI totally agree
ReplyDeleteYou guy's are so funny trying to figure out what to do ,and coming up with a whole bunch of different things like you all have your heads cut off , lol like making everyone socialist, lol
ReplyDeleteJeff Motter
ReplyDeleteYou cant make everyone socialist. Everyone chooses to collectively manage their world or they die.....but then I guess you also believe in god and fairies.
Jeff Motter
ReplyDeleteThe basic nature of Humanity is Socialist since the formation of the first tribe. It must suck to have you on a team.
Mac Baird
ReplyDeleteWow. You are undoubtedly a good trader with that sort of very objective thinking. Rare skill indeed.
Naw , I'm just into Tree's and Desalination , Not More Law's that hold down society , Tree's and Desalination will lower temperatures on the earth . Course if you want to stop gases ,then keep your mouth closed and less gases will come out of you !
ReplyDeleteJeff Motter
ReplyDeleteTrees and Desalination? Deforestation and water pollution are both products of unregulated Capitalism. Good luck with creating a better society without the laws to protect it from the harm of someone's search for profit.
Really, that's your come back ? 😂
ReplyDeleteWe have the Law's, we just a white house to abide by them !😃
Mac Baird
ReplyDeleteInefficient search for profit Mac. Trading for example is weighed under with parasites (as is politics and our corrupt politicians)...insiders, scam artists, thieves basically fleecing the markets and poor punters. At some point we will hopefully evolve to a more advanced way of doing things (after we have managed to convince the fools, incompetents and general ne-er-do-wells to sort themselves out) but for sure for the moment, we need regulations to improve competencies. There are trading forums for example I wont name any that are in few words, portals to con artists. How do we hope to even begin to solve the bigger issues if the players on the ground floor wont follow the rules.
Traider A
ReplyDeleteThere are many market applications that can be referred to as trading. My reference is pure Technical Market Analysis http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.php?id=chart_school
All the others, insiders, manipulators, con artists, fraud, etc. are criminals that take unfair advantage. As a professional, I consider myself well supervised and regulated.
Mac Baird
ReplyDeleteIf you are good and I suspect you are, then your analysis should speak for itself.
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ReplyDeleteJeff Motter How are you doing today? And how is everything out there. I am Seidu Mariam by name and i would like you to send me a message through this email. Mel.mike30@yahoo.com for more information's about me...
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